Sound: The Most Subtle & Most Powerful Sense - Vedic Wisdom on Voice, Hearing & Divine Speech | Dylan Smith #155

Sound is the most subtle of the senses.

And according to the Vedas, because it is the most subtle, it is also the most powerful.

What you speak, how you speak, and what you allow yourself to hear shapes the quality of your mind, your consciousness, and ultimately the person you become.

Recorded live during a sound healing evening in London, Dylan Smith explores the Vedic understanding of sound, speech, hearing, and consciousness. Beginning with the science of vibration and moving into the philosophy of speech, this talk reveals why sound has always been regarded as one of the most transformative forces in human life.

From Ayurvedic practices for supporting ear health to the extraordinary concept of Vāk Siddhi, where speech gains the power to manifest reality, this episode offers a profound perspective on the relationship between sound and spiritual development.

Whether you're interested in mantra, meditation, Ayurveda, or simply becoming more conscious of the words you speak and hear, this conversation offers practical wisdom and timeless insight.

In This Episode, We Cover:

• Why sound is considered the most subtle and most powerful sense
• The relationship between sound, consciousness, and the sense organs
• The four Vedas and the significance of celestial sounds
• The teaching of Satyam Brūyāt, Priyam Brūyāt: speak truth, speak sweetly
• Ayurvedic practices for supporting ear health and auditory capacity
• Karna Poorna, Gandusha, and Nasya for the health of the senses
• How sound influences the mind and shapes perception
• The cultivation of divine hearing (Śravaṇa)
• Why mantras are traditionally repeated inwardly rather than aloud
• Vāk Siddhi and the power of pure speech
• The role of Udāna Vāta in expression, communication, and manifestation
• Practical ways to become more conscious of what you hear and speak

About Dylan Smith

Dylan Smith is an Ayurvedic Practitioner, educator, and founder of Vital Veda.

Drawing from the classical Vedic sciences of Ayurveda, Yoga, Jyotiṣa, and Vedānta, Dylan is dedicated to making authentic Vedic knowledge practical and accessible for modern life.

Through consultations, education, herbal medicine, and community events, he helps people cultivate greater health, vitality, and self-awareness while preserving the integrity of traditional wisdom.

Resources & Links

• Karna Poorna Oil
• Gandusha Oil
• Nasika Oil
• Self-Pulse Online Training
• Book a Consultation with Dylan Smith
• Jivita Ayurveda London

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Transcript

Sound Creates Form And Mind

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Sound is described in the Vedas as the most subtle of all the senses. And because it is the most subtle, it is also the most powerful. What you speak, how you speak, and what you allow yourself to hear, these shape the health of your sense organs, which are directly correlated with the quality of your mind and the depth of your consciousness. Sensory activity is directly associated with who you become and how you show up in society. It is formative. The Vedas understood this with extraordinary precision from the physical care of ear health and audible capacity in Ayurveda all the way to the perception of celestial sounds. Welcome

London Session And Vedic Framing

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to the Vital Veda podcast. I'm your host, Dylan Smith. I'm an Ayurveda practitioner. I'm a logistic health educator, and I'm someone who is made up of sound. What made up of sound? Yeah, I'm made up of sound. My my blood, my bone, my marrow, my muscle, my fat. Just like you, yeah, I'm speaking to you. My physiological biology structure is a manifestation which was originally from sound, from vibration. And this is what we speak about in this podcast episode. In May 2026, I was in London. I was consulting, teaching, and spending time with the community there. And during my stay, I attended a sound healing session and was humbly invited to open the evening with a talk on the Vedic perspective on sound and laying some of the science and knowledge underneath the experience before the sound healing itself began. Joining me in that room was Anu, an Ayurveda practitioner and founder of Javita Ayurveda in London, who's a colleague of mine who I collaborate with when I consult and teach in London, whom you will hear from also in this recording. We moved from the physics of sound to the philosophy of speech. From caring for the physical health of the ears with the Ayurveda protocols, all the way to Vak Siddhi. The extraordinary human capability in which what you speak becomes true. And this is cultivated through years of pure speech, pure living, and dedicated sadhana or spiritual practice. This is not a heavy clinical episode. It's an initiation into a way of relating to sound, to voice, to hearing, in a way that most people have probably never considered. And once you hear this, you won't unhear it. So lend me your ears, yeah, your beautiful ears, your two ears, and let's cultivate some divine hearing together. What

Shruti, Akasha, And Subtle Senses

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about the Sanskrit word for hearing? And correlating with the word shruti. Shruti is the shru means to hear. And it's the whole consciousness was created by shruti, by hearing. So it's that which you hear reveals itself. What element is sound correlated with? Five senses, five elements. Which element is sound? Air. Anyone else? Ether. Ether. Akasha is the Sanskrit. Because Akasha is ether or space, and that is the most subtle out of the five elements. So Shravana, hearing, is the most subtle. If you meditate and you transcend when you meditate, like Mike teaches a technique that's very easy to transcend the body. And when you transcend, the last thing that will go is sound, because it's the most subtle. The most tangible earth is smell. So very easily you'll lose your sense of smell when you meditate. You won't be smelling things. And next is apa, which is water, is taste. So then you will lose the taste. You won't be thinking taste. Then next is tejas sight. So even if you have your eyes closed, still the sight is not there. And the vayu, which is air, is touch. So that's when sometimes in when you're transcended, you can't feel your hands, the sense of touch is gone. But still, you can be in transcendence or meditating, and you have transcended those senses, but sound is still there. You can be meditating but hear the white wind or hear the people on the train. So it's the most subtle. And it will take the full transcendence of all the Indra, all the senses to transcend sound. Everything is sound. This body, this Dijridu, this yoga mat, this wood, this room, it's all from sound. Before it comes to a piece of flesh or a cotton or wood, it first started as sound, as vibration, as Anu said, as the most subtle vibration. And then it comes to oh, that vibrating into a form of skin, flesh, wood, water, it is the most subtle when that's where the most powerful, that's why mantra is so powerful. Is the sounds or all the different mantras coming through musical instruments, doesn't have to be mantra from. So if we can interact with sound in a divine way by attuning our sravna, our hearing to a divine frequency, then we can tap into the power of sound. So shruti is is that which the sound which reveals because all the Vedas, like

Samaveda And Gandharva Veda

SPEAKER_02 5:55

what are the four Vedas?

unknown 5:58

Rig.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Rig. Artava, Sama, and Yajuveda. So which one is sound? Samaveda. So Samaveda, and out of the four, so just peel back for a minute for those who have lost. The Veda, you can say Veda means science. But what it means, like what is science? Science is the mechanics of natural law. So the Veda is an expression of how nature is organized. And you can say Veda is everything to be, or Veda is universe, but if we want to start bringing it a bit more superficial and unpacking it, you can come into four Vedas. And we have Samaveda, Rig Veda, Artavaveda, and Yajuveda. And that's different expressions of the laws of nature. For example, we have Artharva Veda, which includes Ayurveda. So it is talking about how to live life, any life, especially human life, but any any life, according to the Veda, according to the laws of nature. Then we have the uh the Yajur Veda, which is like the science of how to engage in certain ritual and ceremony to trigger certain laws of nature. For example, through fire ceremony or yaja. And then there is Rigveda, correlates also with Vastu, so Vedic architecture or stapatyaveda. So how to organize structures and architecture according to natural law. I will add that there is a slight controversy over what Vedic architecture or stapachaveda is correlated with, which Veda is it correlated with. Some would say Rig Veda, which essentially is the seat of all Vedas. So that is true in a way. And others would more specifically say it is correlated with Arthaveda. And similarly, Ayurveda, whether it is either Rig Veda or Artavaveda, again, Rig Veda, the seat of all the Vedas, and Arthaveda is also said to be correlated with the Ayurveda, as Charaka Samhita will also explain. So anyhow, they all intertwine within these four Vedas. And Samaveda is the Veda for sound. And each of these Vedas has what's called an Upa Veda, which is like a sub Veda. So that's why I said Artavaveda includes Ayurveda. Yeah, Driveda includes the yaja and the Dhanuveda warfare. So Sama, the Upa Veda is called Gandharva Veda. So Gandharva Veda is very interesting. It's basically sound healing. Like today we call it sound healing. Gandharva Veda is using sound to trigger certain laws of nature. For example, there is a Gandharva Veda remedy, a melody called rain melody. And in Australia, in a drought in the 80s or 90s, they played this remedy, this melody through the speakers and created the rain in the drought. There were sent a lot of meditators to the Australian rural area, and they played the melody and meditated in a group to create more harmony in the collective, and then came the rain. You can have Gandharva Veda for sleep, even different times of the day, Gandharva Veda for pregnancy. So different melodies and sounds to activate certain laws of nature. So Gandharva Veda is Samaveda. And when you learn about these four Vedas even a little bit, Rig Veda is the seed of all the Vedas. There is a lovely shloka I wrote down. Sadhya Phaladi Gandharva. Sadhya means instant, immediate. And phaladi, phalam, anyone know the word phalam?

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Fruit.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Fruit. And then Gandharva is the Gandharva is like the celestial sounds. And the celestial beings. So sadhya phaladi gandharva, the celestial sounds or the divine sounds creates the sadhya phalam, the instant fruit, instant results. So once again, the celestial or the divine sounds will create instant results. When we learn in Arivedah, when I'm learning with my teachers and we learn the pulse diagnosis, there are these certain qualities that are ideal in a pulse. I'm not going to go into them. And there are three qualities. You will never, very rarely find that in someone because that means they're in perfect health. It's very hard to find anyone in perfect health. But you will find it in that person if they have certain experience with music. That's the only time you can find that because the Gantarva, the divine sounds, can create this instant harmony in the body. Not many ways you can trigger that perfect harmony. So sound has that power, and in Aur Veda, actually, although sound is the most subtle, and in general, subtle means potent, actually, sense of touch is the king of the senses. And what was touch? Which element?

unknown 11:29

Air.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Air. So the next subtle, the more gross than Akasha is air, and that's touch. So why is touch the king if sound is the most subtle? It said because sparsha touch is the biggest, it's the grossest, it's everywhere. Like vata is air. It's the king of the dosha. It's everywhere. So through through touch, everything is is like I can't remember if it's Anu must have said it. She said, you can feel the sound in your heart. When I I will play the Dijiri Doo, maybe on near to your body, you will feel it. So you're not hearing, you're feeling it. So touch is that feeling. So Shruti, that which is heard, and all this Vedic knowledge, Samaveda, Rigveda, Pavaveda, Yajurveda, so sophisticated. Like from Ayurveda, the science of life, such a big topic, to Stapatyaveda, Yajuveda, the Yajas, and to Dhanuveda, the warfare, so sophisticated. It was all just heard. Rishis, these great seas in meditation and shruti, they just heard it. They heard the knowledge. It's incredible. Like they just cognize this through sound, through receiving the energy through through mantra. So also we can talk about the physical, how to how to refine, how to attune or how to attain and refine that shravana,

Ear Health Protocols For Vata

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that divine hearing. Because we want to hear divine. So because shravana is vata, which is space element, also air element, we have to protect our ears. You walk outside tonight without your ears covered, and then cover it and see the difference. People underestimate how important it is to protect your ears, especially in this weather in London and in wind. You can try do the experiment yourself. Go out on the wind without your ears covered and put a beanie on or put cotton in your ears or like that. You'll see you're so much you're sealed. You're like you're sealed up, you're protected. Like in the treatments, I've been putting cotton in the ears during the treatment because it's like this cocoon of protection. Because vata enters through the ears, and vata is vayu, is air, that's what dries up the sensory organs, and that would lead to you can say degeneration of hearing, degeneration of smelling, degeneration of the brain, degeneration of taste. All the senses is nothing but dryness drying out that vata, which takes information and moves it into the process. Because vata is all the movements, including knowledge perception. How can I perceive what Dylan is talking about in this lecture and put it into my brain and understand it? That's vata. That's why the ADHD who can't concentrate can be the vata is too much or distorted and not regular. So pitta actually will metabolize it. That's the fire. But vati is what is perceives the knowledge. So we need to keep our head protected. One simple thing, keep the ears protected. So important. And you can even oilyate the ears, also. It's very good. Every day. I think everyone here knows about the practice of oil massage in Arevedta. You know? Self-abyanga. So that is like a daily thing to do. For so many reasons, I'm not gonna go into it. One of the things is the hearing. I mean, like if you look at tinnitus and uh shravana degeneration, like the hearing degenerating. Abhyanga is very important to prevent that, and then if it has started, to halt the degeneration process while you work on healing it. But Ayurveda said, Shir Shravana Padesheshu means the minimum of abhyanga is Shiru, head, shravana, and padesheshu, the feet. That's it. If you can't do abyanga every day, every day put a bit of oil on your crown, into the ears, like right in, and the soles of the feet. That's it. So this is the top, this is the bottom, but this is the vata, this is the king. Vata is the king of the doshas, and this is one of the main seats of vata. So definitely oilating the ears every day is is important. It can be before your shower, especially if you swim like Mike in the Hyde Park pond every day in the cold water most days. Then definitely you need to put the oil in because it protects from what's the best oil for the year. The best you can get different ear oils. Um, you can even use the nasya oils, the same oil that they use for nasya. So uh there's a classical formula called anoteilam, which Jivita has. We do the nasaka oil. We even have an oil for ears, it's called Karanapuna oil, and it just sesame also, or ghee. That's the simple oils. But the nasaka is good, and that can be on the pinky and in, on the pinky and in, as well as in the nose, because the nose is so important to treat the hip the audible sense, and so important because it's the direct way to the skull and to the brain and to this whole facial arteries. When I speak about medicated oils for nose, I don't mess around because nose is the gateway to the skull. I'm quite meticulous about only using high-quality refined oils to administer in the nose. Nassia oils are not all treated the same, they need to be procured and produced in a specific way. And in my standards, I like the high quality. You can check out Nasika oil, that's N-A-S-I-K-A, is a standard nasal oil that we sell at Vitalveda, and it's basically for everyone unless you have a bleeding nose or have a cold. So check out Nusuka oil. All you need to do is go to Vitalveda.com.au forward slash shop, create an account, and type in Nusuka in the search bar, and you can get that oil we ship all around the world. As well, if you want the ear oil specifically, you can look up Karina Purna oil. That's K-A-R-N-A Karana Puruna. P Dou R N A oil. And you'll see the links to these two medicated oils on our website. Just create an account at Vitalved.com.eu forward slash shop and enjoy high-quality medicated oils for your brain, your ears, your nose, and your whole head, neck, and throat. And also, one more thing for the face is oil pulling. So swishing oil in the mouth for 15 to 20 minutes. It can be sesame oil or medicated oil. That will also strengthen the facial arteries. And is very someone I saw this week, what was the issue? They had something with their uh oh, yeah, she had the uh concussion and she fell and had hit her face. She passed out and hit flat there. She was still recovering. So for her, the gandusha is very helpful because means the oil pulling it enhances the blood flow to the face and to all the sensory organs. So oil pulling is so much more. Now it's popular for like teeth and whitening the teeth and for gum health, but it actually does the whole head, neck, and throat, even the thyroid. For like singers, it's very good. And nasaka for singers is very good. So lubricating, because the number one quality of vata is dry. That's the first quality, ruksha. So the the opposite to dry is oily or uncuous. So it's so important to oily novata areas, which is Shiru, Shravana, and Padesheshu. This is the Vata Stanas, the Vata seats. There are more seats of Vata, but those are a lot of them like lower back, also, and the whole skin. That's why adhyanga is so good for vata because the skin is the sensory organ of vata, it's the sense of touch. So it's very good for that. And if there is the tinnitus, then the Shriradhara treatment, which you can do at Jivita, is very good for that because it it calms the vata in the brain, which is causing the ears to ring. And also, when the ears ring, it sometimes can be with the kundalini activation. Has anyone experienced the ringing in the ears from spiritual experiences? So some people have it very strong, like uncomfortably strong, and it's not tinnitus, it's just a radical kundalini awakening or an expression of that happening. And it can be intense for them, and they need to still keep the vata balanced because the energy is moving so much that the pressure in the head is creating this ringing, and that's the vata. So it's so important to keep the head and the orifices lubricated for the karana for the eardrops. You can do that, or especially you can do with nasaka or the karnapuna oil or an ear oil, you can lie down for 10 minutes, means put two drops and just this is before sleep. Wait 10 minutes and then turn two drops and then go to sleep and let it seep in. So this is the kind of superficial health side of not superficial, but this is more the the the the earth element, the body, the hearing. And then we can move to the more subtle, which is the the sound and the the the gandharva, the divine sounds and the divine melodies. Because if you see the ragas, which are the melodies of Indian classical music, they will they will say raga from 7 a.m. till 10am and raga from 10 a.m. till 1 p.m. And you can choose the raga based on the time of the day because that harmonizes with the doshas that are dominant, like we have vata 6 till 2 till 6 in the morning, and then kafa 6 till 10, and then pitta ten till two. So these raga because pitta ten till two is the phi element when the sun's the strongest, and then after that, two till six is vata, so it's more subtle as the sun is transitioning. So, like that, the sounds also harmonize with the elements of the time of the day, and then even seasons andor ray melody for dry. Uh, you can do so many different boundless sounds for different applications, and then of course, in mantras, you know, you that's puja, that's yajruveda, that's ceremony. You do, you know, half of us here, some of us here did the course last week in massaj, and we had them the yagya, the ceremony, for protecting, so for protecting us from the treatment, but also enhancing the capacity to treat. You can do yaja for certain mantras for marriage you want to get married, for certain mantras for wealth, certain mantras for a new house to make that house when you move into that, it is more harmonious and and has the good effects and is everlasting and doesn't create any issues. So innumerable applications with mantra. But the sound is also subtle. And interestingly, with the mantra, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who was a a Rishi, a great Rishi, who brought a lot of the Vedas to the West and not just the West, he revived it in the world through the West. He would spread it to the West, and that would um make India interested when the West were practicing it. But he was strong on saying to not speak the mantra out loud, to do it inwardly, because he said keep the mantras out loud for the pundits, and those are the masters of ceremony who have been initiated from blood but also grown up in chanting. Because if we make any mistake in the mantra, it can cause some ill effect and take away from the power of that.

Pure Speech And Vak Siddhi

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But if it's inwardly, it's more subtle. We're not putting it out into the manifest, so it's more towards that space element, and there it's okay for it to blend, and non-proper pronunciation is important, it can kind of morph into all the different vibrations, and that keeping it's like keeping in the subtle, it's like satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat, nah bruyat satyam apriyam. Speak the sweet truth, like we don't want to speak bad things because then it brings it up into the relative, like even like oh, I'm afraid I'm gonna get cancer, or my auntie had cancer, and my mother, and I think I'm gonna get it. This is like really inviting cancer into you into you, especially when you speak it out loud. So you can express, and it's important to express those fears with a therapist or practitioner, but it's important to be mindful of what we speak and saying bad things, like Maticha would say. Um, saying bad things to the food, like, for example, say your partner or your mother serves you food, like, oh not this macaroni again. Is that not cancerous? Like you would say, that is cancerous, like carcinogenic, is to say, oh, not this again. Like you're just enlivening into the manifest. A and and food is especially so sensitive because it's rich of microorganisms, and it can it just is so sensitive to, and especially if it has water in it, water is so sensitive to what we say, not just what we think, but once we say it, it's it's out there, it's more water element and earth element, it's more superficial relative. So be careful with what you say. Speak the sweet truth is one of the acharya rasainas, which means behaviors for longevity in Ayurveda. Because we talk about, you may have heard the word rasayana, it's that which spreads rasa, that which which spreads the essence of life. So people mostly think of rasinas, they'll think of special herbs for longevity. But Ayurveda says before you take any herbal rasaina, you need to do the archarya rasainas, which are the behavioral rasayanas. Behaviors that enhance longevity. And one of those is satyabruyam or satya bruhat, which is speak the sweet truth. So don't say any negativity, or even if you have to portray something negative, say it in a sweet way. Don't frighten someone, or like even like, for example, if a physician needs to diagnose, or like, you know, so many my patients, it's it's toxic, like what they hear from the oncologist of like we have six months to live, there's nothing we can do. Start planning your will, but like all that, like that's not sweet speaking. You need to speak sweetly. Or the woman goes for a pregnancy scan, and the uh radiologist is like, oh, the baby's a bit small, you might have some, you might have to get some intervention, or like you should this is something that needs to be changed. Like, that's just a little the baby's small, that's fine. And now there's that fear, even though that mother might have been or mother to be was so strong and is a strong person, still that that speech has come into her being. So speech is so powerful, and because they're gonna hear it, and the hearing is the most powerful, and you can even learn that in swear words. Like, see when people are speaking the swear words, it alters the the energy, it takes away the sattva, that purity, and the purity, which is the pure speech, is what gives the good effects, and there's even a a siddhi, which is a supernatural capability called vaksidhi, and it means that which you say comes true. So, my uh one of my teachers has said to have that vaksidhi, and his mother also has said to have it. So if they say you will be better, the patient gets better much easier because he's developed the shakti, the energy for that ability to speak, and one of that is he speaks the sweet truth, he doesn't say swear words, he doesn't say negativity, and his speech is very powerful, they're not over-speaking, also. That's why some people they can say something very simple, like in a consultation, but it like completely changes the life of the client. It's just the power of not just you know, they say it's not, and this is modern science, also study, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. So that's the Vaksidi is very powerful, and that's because it's all received through the Shravana. So speech is also related with Vata, of course, the Udana Vata, the Vata that goes out, and speech is also sadasvati, which is the aspect of nature, the divine feminine aspect of creativity, learning, music. So it's music but also speaking, like the planet Mercury, which is also speaking, and Shravana, hearing is also Mercury, because it's communication. So it's ultimately we want to communicate, listen, give on a divine level, ideally, and we doesn't mean we have to only speak divine and listen to divine things, but when we are activating that shravana, that divine hearing, and that satyabri bruhat, that not just the sweet truth, but also shuty, this the pure speech, if we had that in our lives, as well as the okay, we love to have conversations about the football and whatever it is, then that will create more power and and keep the prana flowing in our relationships and in our work and in our actions. So it's wise to activate the Shravana and utilize it as well as the Shuchi Bhak, the pure speech. And that can be done all these ways, and just also through the physical sense organs, the oils and um the good foods like ghee and garlic is also very good for the ears. For ear infections, like you can just put garlic cloves in your ears, like earplugs. That's good. Take the skin off and just put it in. Garlic is so good for the ears because it's so good for vata.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

It was interesting what you said about that instant effect of sound. Yeah. Right. So I find this very uh intriguing what we practice also uh this morning with the do pranayama, the brahmari pranayama, that sound. That's one, yeah. Everyone's doing hmm mmm. And it's just really kind of when you understand someone, the first instinctive, like innate expression of your body is hmm, isn't it? There you go. Yes, so it's it's it's kind of in that line, I think, where it's kind of the immediate connection comes, and it is kind of you're giving these cues with your sound that comes, hmm. You don't even think that it's coming, but it's constantly establishing that understanding and interaction between you with that. But it's also it's a sound of pleasure, isn't it? When you eat something good, you go, hmm, yeah, or you embrace someone, you go, hmm. So uh it's so great. It's really uh really nice what you said about that instant connection with the sound of the pure sound, the the you know, innate kind of natural sound that comes from us.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

I love it. So such good examples, and so important to express those sounds as well. Um like eating, mmm, like let it out. And of course, sexually, you know, the orgasm is that instant and and that moves through sound a lot.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

What it does on a physiological level is increases your serotonin level and your feel-good hormones, or oxytocin, you know, dopamine, endorphins, they start flowing. So if you do that in the morning, like a uh let's say 20 repetitions of the sound, you've got this peaceful, you just set your mind and your guts as well, because it works there as well.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

And that's why pulse is so important, self-pulse, because it's this it's the most refined level of touch, because everything is vibration: your liver, your heart, your lungs, your sacrum, your big toe, your ankle ligament. So that all has its own unique vibration. That's how pulse diagnosis with a good physician can see all the different parts of the body, and not just physical, it can even feel the subtle, emotional, the karma, the astrology, all of that can be felt through touch because touch is the king, it has everything, it's it encompasses everything, everything is felt, and that's why certain different frequencies, whether it's different herts or different melodies, we can even go to certain parts of the body and do different like you'll see the didiri do maybe more like root chakra, but this is not the most deepest didri do, so it might be a bit higher, but then these bowls are definitely the space element, so more than whether digrido, I can sometimes because I do and I will do on you, like sometimes after my treatments I will play, but it's hard. It's I don't do it a lot because on the treatments I do that, like for example, the Apyanga, mostly I would do it with Apyanga, it's it's very arkasha, it's quite subtle, and it's very like more like the bowl energy. So to bring the Digi Ru after that can it's not probably not for most people, but it can help when someone has something stuck in the chakra or in the spine and it just needs to be like shaken up a bit, or they need to just drop down and and ground.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

If you get a patient come in and you you know you do the touch, you know, you're checking their pulse. Will you know on a sound level what they may need to will you be able to identify what they might need, whether it is root, will you get you say, hang on a second, I'm just gonna get my disjury do because this is gonna sort you out. Or wait, I've got to get a couple of polls.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Yeah, definitely. Because it's it's like that. It's like, I mean, I'm not a sound by all means, like um, I play some music, but I'm not a musician, I don't do sound healing very much. Um but from what I do know, like definitely the DigiRidoo is good for activating the root chakra, and um also depends on like how to play it. So some people need to be kind of blasted with a very deep um roaring, like a deep roar on the spine or even the the navel. Um, that can be more for grounding or just tension in that area in the pelvis. And same with the heart, if they are holding any, like suppressing some emotions, definitely it can create tears and open that. And then the bowls can be more for um expansion and harmonizing the mind. So that is easy for a clinician to assess what they need and then with sound for sure. But there's so many different instruments, and there's the forks which are so tangible, like you just you feel it on the body, and yeah, it's not something that I do a lot and sound.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Obviously, the tone of your voice.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Well, it's very nice to hear your voice whilst you uh uh have this melody in your sound that goes up a bit, and then you have this baritone that comes. Can you hear it? Like this vibration from your chest, it comes, I I can feel it. For a human ear, it's very nice to hear a sound that you know has that melody, and that's considered naturally uh safe. Yeah, we experience safety when there's a little bit of that highs and lows and highs and lows. It's like singing thing, and but if I start talking like a uh uh even babies consider that as a predator sound, so it's it's naturally threatening, and you get into defensive states if you start talking like this. In Finland we talk a little bit like that, so we're considered to be very rude often, but it's just that we have a subtlety of understanding what we say to each other, but for an outsider, it sounds like we're on a predator mode all the time.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Like German, would you say a Finland German is a little bit more?

SPEAKER_00 39:29

Yeah, there is that monotony, is that melody is yeah, not as Italian. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

The next question I will repeat here as the sound was not clear in the recording.

Daily Divine Hearing Plus Closing

SPEAKER_02 39:42

And the question from one audience member was how can we incorporate divine hearing and divine sounds into our daily rhythms? First of all, you can physically self-attune, like attune your hearing with the nose drops and the eardrops, and protecting your ears from cold and from wind. And then I would say start with your speech. Be more mindful of the sounds that you produce, not just speech, but like walking around the house. Are you stomping? And like, can you be more subtle? And then you'll also naturally pay attention to the sounds, all the sounds. Oh, the air conditioning, the bird, the tree swaying, the touching of the ground. So just becoming more aware, starting to just create more awareness and tune into the subtleties. But I think a really good one is your own, what are the sounds you're creating? And I think the great one is early morning, you're the first one up. What's going on, and what's each footstep do just everything's subtle. It's just we want to be more aware of the subtle and start to tune into it. And there are techniques like the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali speaks about the five senses and how to refine them and create more super subtle sensory perception through all the senses. He gives technique of how of certain yogic practices to activate that more. And that's that's the meditation technique or yoga technique called sanyama. Thank you for tuning into the Vital Veda podcast. If you made it to here, I generally appreciate you. If you enjoyed this episode, I'm gonna give you a couple related episodes that you're gonna love. The first of all, episode number one four eight on Mantra Shastra Explained, the ancient science of sound, and that is with Punesh, one of the most refined teachers and masters of mantra of sound. That's episode 148, Mantra Shastra Explained, The Ancient Science of Sound with Punesh, and another one which is actually our all-time most downloaded episode by far, and that's episode 66, Sanskrit and Vedic chanting with the Samadhi Collective with Kamala and Janavi Kamala and Janavi. What an episode that's number 148 on mantras and number sixty-six on Sanskrit and Vedic chanting with Kamala and Janavi. One more thing before we go, please subscribe to the show. It will help support us to the bottom of our heart, to the bottom of my heart. I thank you. If you were to subscribe, maybe you just kind of want to dip into our episodes here and there. Maybe you're new to this. Anyhow, just hit the subscribe button. You'll manage it in your podcast app. It's not going to be too overwhelming. I would generally appreciate this so much. And until next time, much love.